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Premature TH9-10

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  • May 29, 2013 (52 months ago)
What is a premature town hall?

A premature town hall is a village in which town hall levels are advanced quickly, and usually with the aid of gems, to unlock a high-level feature -- often the X-bow or inferno tower.

A premature town hall is not the same thing as a non-maximized town hall. For many reasons it's often a good idea to complete every upgrade and building project available at a given town hall level. While there are reasons to do this, a base which advances with a handful of incomplete upgrades or building projects is not at the same risk to damage their gameplay as described in this thread.

What can you do about it?

First, you need to think hard about deleting your village and restarting. I know that it’s hard to swallow the financial loss, but you need to think carefully about it nonetheless. The reason for this is the hidden loot penalties which SC never explains, but are nonetheless key drivers of end game play. As you level up your town hall you incur penalties to looting villages with town halls lower than yours, while those lower town halls simultaneously get bonuses to looting you.

The end result of this is that as a premature TH9-10, you are the closest thing to fresh meat that exists in this game. Fully developed TH9-10 villages are going to salivate every time you come up in their attack queue, and even lower town halls are going to take a shot at you for the bonus they get against higher town hall levels.

Bear in mind also that the money you have invested is a pittance relative to the investment you need to create a competitive TH9-10 base. TH7 is the sweet spot for farming gold in CoC, and you have forever lost access to it.

So in short, your screwed. You’re both the kid wearing a “Kick Me” sign on his back, while simultaneously having less ability to dig yourself out of the hole you’re in. Consider carefully if deleting and restarting is a good option.

But let’s say it isn’t an option. The reason doesn't have to matter, but maybe there’s no way you’re going to lose that $100, giving up just isn’t how you roll, and screw math anyway. What now?

First, make sure you have all the builders. They’re far and away the best investment you can make with cash, and if you’re going to stick with your gimped base, you’re going to need all the help you can get. So cough up that extra $20, and buy the last builders.

Next, bear in mind that you won’t be able to defend your loot for a long, long time. Your best defense is simply not to have loot in your storages by spending it as soon as possible. Consider also that most people consider a threshold of 70-100k gold as the low end of what they’d attack depending on the base strength and troop investment. This means that considering loot penalties, provided you have less than 350k gold in storages, you’re less likely to be attacked by an equal town hall level. (Lower TH levels may still be motivated to attack you though.)

The general strategy is to dump loot as quickly as possible so that you never have enough in your storages to be worth attacking. Some people advocate keeping a builder free to dump excess gold into walls, but I’d personally just keep them all building. But to have the resources to level anything, you need to be gaining loot yourself. You’re going to have to learn how to farm.

There is no shortage of farming guides on this forum, but the nutshell version is to park somewhere between 1200-1500 trophies, and pick on undefended collectors and weak bases for loot with an army consisting primarily of goblins, giants, archers, wallbreakers, and possibly barbarians. In order to do this, you need to have a viable TH9-10 army. If you have any gems left over after your ill-advised rush to TH9 and builder purchases, this is where you should dump them – in your offense. Realistically a viable army at TH9 is a minimum of 200 pop capacity and level five troops. Offense and defense draw largely from separate resource pools, but if there’s ever a choice between them, always upgrade offense first.

As far as upgrading your defenses, your top priorities should be the clan castle, mortars, wizard towers, and Xbows. However, don’t do this at the expense of dumping gold fast. Remember that you’re going to be that prime target for a long time. When your base gets steamrolled, it wasn’t that you failed to copy somebody’s base design well enough. It’s that your base is underleveled.

Also, make sure that you're in an active clan that donates. New players underestimate the strength of the clan castle, but a fully staffed clan castle is a force to be reckoned with if properly positioned in the center of your base.

From recent experience I would know


With regards,
Breezy
    Posted 21 months ago

    *Meinsl

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    Posted 30 months ago

    JeremyIsKing

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    25/03/15

    BEST old guide that I have read. Everyone needs to read this guide.

    Posted 41 months ago

    Clurichaun

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    03/05/14
    Jimmy D, you are right. Just stick with it. The one thing this guide lacks is the hard numbers on the loot penalty. If you attack someone the same TH level as you, you can get 100% of the available loot (which isnt the total loot the enemy has, its between 10 and 20%)

    When you attack someone with a TH 1 level lower than you, you can only get 90% of available loot, 2 levels lower than you it drops to 50%, 3 levels drops to 25%, and 4 levels you can only get 5% of their available loot. So lets look at an example. A lvl 4 TH with a total of 500k resources in their storages with empty collectors.

    At lvl 4 TH a player has 20% of what is in his storage as available loot for a raid. So 20% of 500k is 100k. If your level 4 TH also, you can get the full 100k from that raid. If your a TH 5 you can still get a respectable 90k. However at TH lvl 6 it drops to a max of 50k, at TH lvl 7 down to 25k, and if you have boosted up to th lvl 8 you will get no more than 5k total resources from this base.

    Back to Jimmy's problem your friend has only been attacked once because he only has 20 trophies. Which means he hasnt been farming much either most likely. He will get to the point where he will have to farm to pay for his upgrades, then his trophies will rise, then he will have a hard time making and keeping money for his upgrades.
    Posted 43 months ago

    Jimmy D

    lvl 1: Loincloth
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    06/03/14
    I feel this is going to happen to my friend and not me if I'm wise. My friend is upgrading to TH 6 right now. He has a mortar at level 2, Air Defense at level 2, Two archers towers at level 4 and two cannons at level 5 and no walls. Surely this fast upgrading will get him in trouble. He's trophy level 20 and has only been attacked once and won. Surely this good fortune won't continue. Please tell me I'm right, it's been bugging me, especially since I started playing the game earlier then him. It's making me want to rush my TH. I just want to be better at a video game then him.

    P.S. I just finished upgrading to TH6 after maxing everything except pumps, mines, barracks and 3/4 of my walls. I hover in the 700 trophy range.
    Posted 48 months ago

    chip12345678910

    lvl 2: Hog "Rider"
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    26/09/13
    I just got to th9 and i think i upgrade too fast my name is "Chip" and i am the top player as of right now in the clan "Rodlings!" the leader is jrod12399 on youtube. please respond
    Posted 48 months ago

    jacko668

    lvl 1: Loincloth
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    17/09/13
    I am a town hall 9, my th 8 defence is pretty much maxed except for walls but my troops are only lvl 3 this is because I use very unprofitable elexre strategies (I am trophy hunting), am i a premature th 9?
    Posted 50 months ago

    Hairy palms

    lvl 1: Loincloth
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    24/07/13
    I am just starting my th 9. I am mostly maxed out all my th 8 stuff except walls and couple wiz towers. I am a gemmer. So I will get most of it maxed before the th is done. Is that good enough to defend myself?
    Posted 50 months ago

    Bajan_surfer

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    15/07/13
    And dex when u farm at around 750 trophies most of those bases would have very low townhalls which would make the loot penalty even worse.i was thinking of going to townhall8 with a nearly maxed out base but since th7 is the sweet spot im gonna stay until i max out EVERYTHING even my walls to lvl7
    Posted 50 months ago

    Bajan_surfer

    lvl 1: Loincloth
    13
    15/07/13
    I have this new guy in my clan,(dark dragons) and he gemmed to townhall10 and he gemmed his xbows and he has golems and pekkas but his cannons and archer towers are all lower than level 5 and he has 1 lvl9 wall but the rest lvl4 and 5,i hate when people do this but it makes me even angrier when they lie and say "i never used gems i play the game legit" and its only obvious.(ps i kicked him out for lieng).
    Posted 51 months ago

    Monsters

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    06/07/13
    another thing is to not put all you storages in the same spot
    Posted 51 months ago

    dex

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    05/07/13
    YOU don't need to restart, either gem your defenses or farm down to around 750 cups so you don't get thrashes every defensive attack....other than that your screwed.
    Posted 51 months ago

    Sonny

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    02/07/13
    This was copy and pasted from the CoC Forums, wasn't it? -.-
    Posted 51 months ago

    barz-91

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    25/06/13
    Excellent advice but try not to tell the whole world i love easy attacks loool jk good stuff
    Posted 51 months ago

    Kai bOrg

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    25/06/13
    Im level 78 and crystal league 3 and town hall 10. Is that premature town hall ?
    Posted 51 months ago

    Dearagon

    lvl 1: Loincloth
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    21/06/13
    Just be contented with your th level because once you upgrade you can NEVER downgrade
    Posted 51 months ago

    conqueringkings

    lvl 2: Hog "Rider"
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    20/06/13
    I'd cancel it Cheif. It'll be better in the long run. I rushed my th to lvl 9 right before they came out with the loot limiters and payed for it dearly. It took me forever to be able to start moving forward again.
    Posted 51 months ago

    Cheif tit

    lvl 1: Loincloth
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    19/06/13
    Oh S*** I just quickly upgraded my town hall from lvl 7 to 8. My th7 is getting domalished as it is. Am I upgrading it too early? I'm a skill lvl 38. I don't want to cancel the build because I already spent the 2 mil on it
    Posted 52 months ago

    Breezy

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    09/06/13
    ty
    Posted 52 months ago

    Hall

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    08/06/13
    good guide, very useful advice!
    Posted 52 months ago

    PokeyzRule

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    06/06/13
    Love the guide! good job :)